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[G8]堵拦熊

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被这玩意diao虐了一番 学习一下


1楼2020-01-10 01:23回复
    Type: Dark Normal
    Abilities: Defiant/Guts/Reckless
    Tier: UU (截止1/9/2020 美西时间)
    HP: 93 Attack: 90 Defense: 101 Sp. Atk: 60 Sp. Def: 81 Speed: 95
    数据来源 https://www.smogon.com/dex/ss/pokemon/obstagoon/
    亮点在于本系根性空元气 少见的本系打落 配合近战打击面无敌 第四招可选择余地很大obstruct/parting shot/trick/switcheroo 我个人可能会选择后面三个里的一个


    2楼2020-01-10 01:41
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      下面是伤害计算 基于smogon给出的标准配置
      Obstagoon @ Flame Orb
      Ability: Guts
      EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
      Jolly/Adamant Nature
      - Facade
      - Knock Off
      - Close Combat
      - Obstruct


      3楼2020-01-10 01:41
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        如果特性选择开朗,速度可以过极速鼹鼠、割草机、斗龙、固执的迷你q
        如果特性选择固执,速度可以过87极速(也就是暴鲤龙)
        我出于对斗龙的恐惧,感觉应该过斗龙


        4楼2020-01-10 01:48
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          对现在全OU精灵伤害的简单计算:
          252 Atk Guts Obstagoon Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Aegislash-Blade: 276-326 (85.1 - 100.6%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO
          252 Atk Guts Obstagoon Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Bisharp: 612-720 (225.8 - 265.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
          252 Atk Guts Obstagoon Facade (140 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Cinderace: 339-399 (112.6 - 132.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
          252 Atk Guts Obstagoon Facade (140 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Clefable: 234-276 (59.3 - 70%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery 当然现在这么受的皮克西比较少了。。
          252 Atk Guts Obstagoon Facade (140 BP) vs. 104 HP / 0 Def Conkeldurr: 279-328 (74 - 87%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after burn damage
          252 Atk Guts Obstagoon Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Corsola-Galar: 180-212 (55.5 - 65.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
          252 Atk Guts Obstagoon Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Corviknight: 129-153 (32.2 - 38.2%) -- 95.7% chance to 3HKO 几乎绝对打不动的东西
          252 Atk Guts Obstagoon Facade (140 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Dracovish: 267-315 (83.1 - 98.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
          252 Atk Guts Obstagoon Facade (140 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Dracozolt: 291-343 (90.6 - 106.8%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO
          252 Atk Guts Obstagoon Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Dragapult: 470-554 (148.2 - 174.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
          252 Atk Guts Obstagoon Facade (140 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Dugtrio: 462-544 (218.9 - 257.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
          252 Atk Guts Obstagoon Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Excadrill: 458-540 (126.8 - 149.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
          252 Atk Guts Obstagoon Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 24 Def Ferrothorn: 238-280 (67.6 - 79.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
          252 Atk Guts Obstagoon Facade (140 BP) vs. +1 252 HP / 0 Def Grimmsnarl: 253-298 (64.2 - 75.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO 运气差有可能打不过睡梦的。。。
          -1 252 Atk Guts Obstagoon Facade (140 BP) vs. 88 HP / 4 Def Gyarados: 216-255 (61.1 - 72.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
          252 Atk Guts Obstagoon Facade (140 BP) vs. 252 HP / 204+ Def Hatterene: 207-244 (65 - 76.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
          252 Atk Guts Obstagoon Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Hydreigon: 334-394 (102.7 - 121.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
          252 Atk Guts Obstagoon Facade (140 BP) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Kommo-o: 220-259 (75.6 - 89%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
          252 Atk Guts Obstagoon Facade (140 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Mandibuzz: 255-301 (60.1 - 70.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
          252 Atk Guts Obstagoon Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 240 HP / 52 Def Mew: 350-414 (87.2 - 103.2%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO
          252 Atk Guts Obstagoon Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mimikyu: 222-262 (88.4 - 104.3%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO
          252 Atk Guts Obstagoon Facade (140 BP) vs. 248 HP / 36+ Def Pelipper: 234-276 (72.4 - 85.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
          252 Atk Guts Obstagoon Facade (140 BP) vs. 248 HP / 8 Def Rotom-Heat: 250-295 (82.5 - 97.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
          252 Atk Guts Obstagoon Facade (140 BP) vs. 252 HP / 200+ Def Rotom-Wash: 190-225 (62.5 - 74%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
          252 Atk Guts Obstagoon Facade (140 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Seismitoad: 231-273 (55.7 - 65.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
          252 Atk Guts Obstagoon Facade (140 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Sylveon: 250-295 (63.4 - 74.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
          252 Atk Guts Obstagoon Facade (140 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Togekiss: 279-328 (74.5 - 87.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
          252 Atk Guts Obstagoon Facade (140 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Toxapex: 142-168 (46.7 - 55.2%) -- 11.7% chance to 2HKO after Black Sludge recovery 但是有一把钉子就有99.6%的几率2hko
          252 Atk Guts Obstagoon Facade (140 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Toxtricity: 357-421 (122.6 - 144.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
          252 Atk Guts Obstagoon Close Combat vs. 168 HP / 0 Def Tyranitar: 564-664 (147.2 - 173.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO


          5楼2020-01-10 02:13
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            补充一个现在在uu的沙河马:252 Atk Guts Obstagoon Facade (140 BP) vs. 252 HP / 112+ Def Hippowdon: 190-225 (45.2 - 53.5%) -- 1.2% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
            通过上述计算我的感受是“土猫,永远的神!”
            -1 252 Atk Guts Obstagoon Facade (140 BP) vs. 252 HP / 112+ Def Landorus-Therian: 157-186 (41 - 48.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
            接下来是防守端的一些计算,希望能很直观的体现这个东西如果不是每回合自我消耗其实还挺硬的


            6楼2020-01-10 02:20
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              4 Atk Aegislash-Blade Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Obstagoon: 456-540 (139.4 - 165.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
              252+ Atk Life Orb Bisharp Iron Head vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Obstagoon: 179-212 (54.7 - 64.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after burn damage
              252+ Atk Life Orb Bisharp Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Obstagoon: 78-94 (23.8 - 28.7%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after burn damage
              252 Atk Cinderace Pyro Ball vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Obstagoon: 178-211 (54.4 - 64.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after burn damage
              252+ SpA Life Orb Clefable Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Obstagoon: 424-502 (129.6 - 153.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
              252+ SpA Life Orb Clefable Flamethrower/Thunderbolt vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Obstagoon: 135-160 (41.2 - 48.9%) -- 14.1% chance to 2HKO after burn damage
              252+ Atk Conkeldurr Mach Punch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Obstagoon: 304-360 (92.9 - 110%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO after burn damage 建议看到就跑
              Corsola-Galar Night Shade vs. Obstagoon: 0-0 (0 - 0%) -- possibly the worst move ever
              252 Atk Guts Obstagoon Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Obstagoon: 604-712 (184.7 - 217.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO 自己打自己建议拼脸
              252+ Atk Strong Jaw Dracovish Fishious Rend (170 BP) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Obstagoon: 351-414 (107.3 - 126.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
              252 SpA Choice Specs Dragapult Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Obstagoon: 316-373 (96.6 - 114%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO after burn damage 如果是眼镜直接跑
              252 Atk Dugtrio Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Obstagoon: 135-160 (41.2 - 48.9%) -- 14.8% chance to 2HKO after burn damage 起死回生肯定吃不了的 别想了
              252 Atk Mold Breaker Excadrill Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Obstagoon: 166-196 (50.7 - 59.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after burn damage
              0 Atk Ferrothorn Gyro Ball (150 BP) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Obstagoon: 153-180 (46.7 - 55%) -- 99.6% chance to 2HKO after burn damage
              252+ Atk Grimmsnarl Spirit Break vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Obstagoon: 254-300 (77.6 - 91.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after burn damage
              252 Atk Gyarados Waterfall vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Obstagoon: 127-150 (38.8 - 45.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after burn damage
              0 SpA Hatterene Draining Kiss vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Obstagoon: 168-200 (51.3 - 61.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after burn damage
              252 SpA Hydreigon Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Obstagoon: 246-291 (75.2 - 88.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after burn damage
              252 Atk Kommo-o Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Obstagoon: 688-816 (210.3 - 249.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
              0 Atk Mandibuzz Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Obstagoon: 36-43 (11 - 13.1%) -- possible 6HKO after burn damage
              4 Atk Mew Flare Blitz vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Obstagoon: 85-101 (25.9 - 30.8%) -- 14.8% chance to 3HKO after burn damage
              252+ Atk Life Orb Mimikyu Play Rough vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Obstagoon: 322-382 (98.4 - 116.8%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO after burn damage
              0 SpA Pelipper Scald vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Obstagoon in Rain: 148-175 (45.2 - 53.5%) -- 91.4% chance to 2HKO after burn damage
              20 SpA Rotom-Heat Overheat vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Obstagoon: 178-210 (54.4 - 64.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after burn damage
              252 Atk Guts Obstagoon Facade (140 BP) vs. 108 HP / 0 Def Rotom-Wash: 252-297 (94 - 110.8%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO
              0 Atk Seismitoad Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Obstagoon: 102-121 (31.1 - 37%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after burn damage
              4 SpA Pixilate Sylveon Hyper Voice vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Obstagoon: 302-356 (92.3 - 108.8%) -- 50% chance to OHKO after burn damage
              0 SpA Toxapex Scald vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Obstagoon: 63-75 (19.2 - 22.9%) -- 88% chance to 4HKO after burn damage
              252 SpA Choice Specs Punk Rock Toxtricity Boomburst vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Obstagoon: 296-348 (90.5 - 106.4%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO after burn damage
              252+ Atk Tyranitar Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Obstagoon: 181-214 (55.3 - 65.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after sandstorm damage and burn damage


              7楼2020-01-10 02:42
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                简单总结,以我比较粗浅的认识来看这玩意没有带钢鸟的话处理起来更需要炮灰后的反杀,建议手臂们带上三地鼠,蟾蜍看到这玩意上场后应该冷静对攻而不是轻易读换,读错了损失挺大。带上各种格斗系先制是个不错的选择。如果要用堵拦熊组队,那么钉子是必要的,并且准备另外一个sweeper,原因当然是因为堵拦熊每回合都会自我烧伤。


                8楼2020-01-10 03:01
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                  受或二太受了


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