#8.
Actually, the better battle that illustrates Roman Cavalry weakness is Carrae.
40,000 Roma Legions vs 10,000 Parthia Horse Archers and 1,000 Cataphract (heavy cavalry). Romans were routed. Point could be said that the Roman commander, Crassus was inept.
实际上卡莱之战更能证明骑兵是罗马的弱势。4万罗马军团士兵，对阵帕提亚1万骑射和1万重装骑兵，罗马溃败。克拉苏作为指挥官实在不给力。
克拉苏(Marcus Licinius Crassus Dives，公元前115年～前53年)，古罗马军事家、政治家。他曾帮助苏拉在内战中夺权建立独裁统治。他通过奴隶贸易，经营矿产，投机地产买卖，及非法夺取其他人的财产等手段积攒万贯家财。前72年至前71年期间，斯巴达克率奴隶爆发起义，克拉苏带领罗马军队残酷镇压。苏拉隐退后，他和庞培、凯撒合作，组成三头政治同盟。 此后他因嫉妒恺撒在高卢所取得的战功，于公元前53年发动了对安息帝国的战争，在卡莱战役中全军覆没，本人也被安息帝国俘虏。 传说安息人是用熔化的黄金灌进他的喉咙里，将他杀死的。

#9.
Both the Romans and Chinese had very good artillery (catapults and ballistas). Romans had superior infantry, especiall heavy infantry, though the Chinese had better missile troops (are you sure that Roman bows outranged Chinese crossbows? Also, Chinese crossbows had a faster rate of fire than European ones of the Middle Ages).
I still think the decisive factor here is cavalry, for cavlary have proved for centuries to be the bane of heavy infantry. Also, the Chinese could field armies of a million troops, while the Romans at their height had 250,000 legionaires and a equal number of auxiliaries.
双方远程机械部队都很强（都装备了弩炮和投石器）。罗马步兵，特别是重装步兵更强，同时中国弩兵更胜一筹（有人确定罗马弓箭射程超过中国的弩吗？虽然我知道和欧洲相比中国的弩拥有更快的射速）
我也觉得骑兵是决定性因素，千百年来已经证明了骑兵是重装步兵的噩梦。而且中国可以把百万军队投入战场，罗马军团在巅峰时期也不过只有25万人，而且很大一部分是辅助部队。

#10.Re:#7.
I don*t think gun powder has been invented in that era yet.
火药那时候还没发明呢。
#12.
The Hans didn*t have gunpoweder weapons yet. Gunpowder wasn*t invented until the Song dynasty. Also, only Chinese officers and commanders wore iron breastplates. The Roman army actually had 500,000 at its height, although during the 3 Kingdoms period China has raised armies of over a million multiple times.
火药是宋朝发明的。装备覆盖全身的铁质盔甲的只是汉朝军队的指挥官。罗马军团巅峰时期有50万人。中国在三国时期兵力才达到百万级。

#26.
compass gets you out of the gobi desert.war with han means no silk trade wich means angry rich romans, which means no money for war.
指南针能让军队通过戈壁沙漠，和汉朝作战意味着没有丝绸可买了，也就意味着愤怒的富人们，也就意味着没有财富能用于战争。

#27.
Yea, I*d say China had better generals.
Han would win because of their crossbowmen and cavalry. Although people, don*t forget, the Chinese infantry falters when their general is killed.
中国的将军更出色。
因为拥有弩兵和骑兵，汉朝会赢。虽然在指挥官牺牲之后他们的士兵会有些动摇。
#28.Re:#26.
The Romans brought in wealth from throughout their large empire. The Chinese generated huge amounts of wealth from within their empire. Both sides were wealthy.
罗马从整个广袤的帝国土地上攫取财富，当然中国人也做着同样的事情，两边都很富有。

#29.Re:#27.
Most armies do falter if their general is killed. The Roman Legions might be better off, since they are professional soldiers and not likely to falter as easily.
大多数军队在指挥官战死后都会动摇，罗马军团也许会好一些，因为他们都是职业军人，不会那么容易崩溃。
#30.Re:#29.
Not if we use rocket to scare em ... TOO BAD THERE ISNT THE ROLLING AND LAAUGHING EMOCTION!
他们没有崩溃是因为我们没有用火箭吓唬他们...可惜汉朝时还没有“囧”字！
#31.
Well... I don*t think China had rockets during the Han dynasty. Gunpowder wasn*t invented until the late Tang, and firearms not until the Song. And let me try this: :rollin 再说一遍...汉朝时还没有火箭，火药是晚唐才出现的，火器装备部队也是宋朝的事了。让我试试能不能打出jiong字。

#33.Re:#32.
Of course, you can use cavalary to attack from the rear, the flanks, or from multiple angles at once. Also, swords are not very effective against cavalry, especially spear-armed cavalry. Also, cavalry archers are very hard to counter with heavy infantry.
骑兵可是会从后方，侧翼等多个角度发起攻击的，而且短剑对付骑兵不是很有效，特别是对付装备了标枪的骑兵。而且重装步兵很难反击骑射部队的攻击。

#34
Han Chinese - Romans
Crossbow - shortbow.
Plate armour - Legion armour.
Millions of soldiers - Thousands.
Allied (With goths, Germans, Brittanias, Vandals...) - Alone...
汉朝 - 罗马
强弩 - 短弓
板甲 - 轻甲
百万级 - 万级
高卢日耳曼不列颠汪达尔都是盟友 - 孤立无援...

#35.Re:#34.
Only a very small fraction of Chinese soldiers had plate armor, while most used armor made from pieces of bamboo and leather. Also, in numbers it will be something around 2,000,000 versus 500,000. And in this discussion, I thought we were excluding allies
只有极少数汉朝部队装备板甲，大部分盔甲是由竹子和皮革拼接而成。数量上应该是200万对50万，而且在这个讨论里面，联盟不应该成为变量之一。
#36.Re:#34.
why would all those groups be allies with Han? it*ll more likely to be free-for-all rather than allies.
anyone know what kind of formations would the Han use?
蛮族怎么就成了汉朝的盟友了？他们应该是第三方实力，有谁知道汉朝有哪些阵法可用？
#37.Re:#35.
Cuz they know its a Empire versus a Empire. They would co-operate with the Han for sure to repel the ROman invaders.
帝国对帝国，蛮族应该会利用和汉朝合作的时机来反抗罗马的侵略。

#50.Re:#47.
Wouldn*t that mean the crossbowmen would be firing into their own heavy infantry?
用重步兵保护弩兵？那弩箭不都射到自己人身上了。
#50.Re:#48.
But then in the end, you lose the city. :/
归根结底他们还是没有守住城池。
#51.Re:#50.no, silly Fried the heavy infantries would be crouched down while holding their shields (so are the archers that are reloading). the ones that are shooting are standing up so they won*t shoot the infantries.
come on, they*re common scene in movies
不，当弩兵射击或者装箭的时候，重步兵会举着盾牌蹲下来。射击的人是站着的所以不会射到自己人。
拜托，电影里很常见啊。
#52.Re:#50.
Hey, which one is more important, losing your key and most important and most clever strategist and general of your country, or losing a city? In those days cities were constantly taken and lost, so it*s no biggie.
哪一个更重要？失去你最关键最重要最具战略性眼光的将领，还是失掉一座城池？那个年代一座城池反反复复易手很正常，不算什么。
#53.Re:#47.
watch "Hero" when those crossbow mens assult that sword trainning place
想到了电影《英雄》里弩兵齐射的场景。

#54.Re:#51.
Aha! Thank you, Punisher, I am enligthened!
谢谢51楼的，受教了！
#55.
Don*t they use a line of pikemen infront of musketeers in the 15th 16th (or whatever) centuries to protect the musketeers from cavalry charges? That is, until the bayonet was invented.
在15、16世纪（谁知道呢），不是用一排长矛兵保护身后的滑膛枪手的吗？直到刺刀出现。
#56.Re:#55.
That was used in Europe. The Dutch also developed a tactic using a combination of a sort of mobile phalanx like formation for their pikeman with companies of musketeers. The musketeers would fire at the enemy from a range, while the formations of pikeman would close in on the enemy once the enemy gets within close range.
那是曾经的欧洲，德国佬还发明了一种战术，让长矛兵和滑膛枪手组成一种运动阵型，距离适中时滑膛枪手射击，一旦敌人接近，长矛兵就上去一阵乱捅。

#57.Re:#12.
Gunpowder was invented during the eastern Han dynasty. But, it was only used as fireworks. The first time it was used in battles was during the Song dynasty.
火药在东汉就发明了，不过只是用于烟火，首次用于军事是宋朝时发生的。

#58.
I think Rome may have superior training and discipline for its troops. It also has contacted many other parts of the world. China, on the other hand, has fewer contact with other nations.
我认为罗马军队的训练和士气更佳，而且和世界其他地区的接触也更广泛。反观中国，几乎不怎么和其他国家接触。
#59.
the rome and the hans all shall one enemy: the Huns. from what i*ve learned, the huns almost destoried the rome while the hans have managed to keep them out of its boarder.
罗马和汉朝有一个共同的敌人：匈族人。反正我是这么学的：被汉朝赶跑的匈族人毁灭了罗马。（正如前文所说，我个人认为不应该把汉朝与罗马的实力对比简单地归结的到一个剪刀石头布的模型中。）